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	<title>Comments on: Planning Commission To Consider Affordable Housing Wednesday</title>
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		<title>By: Deb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a comment waaaay back near the beginning:&quot;The statement that it provides additional workforce housing for Town Center is absurd. We are NOT a resort community requiring on-site housing. Access to metro and buses means that workforce housing can be located elsewhere. If workforce housing for its citizenry is a priority of our government - then I’d like a subsidy to live near my office in Bethesda/Chevy Chase- I can’t afford that!&quot;Wow. This looks an awful lot like not wanting Rockville workers to live here (and instead use resources to GET here) because YOU can&#039;t afford to live in B/CC where YOU work and there&#039;s no subsidy for YOU. That would be a very sad case of sour grapes indeed. By following that line of reasoning, perhaps because I cannot afford a new hybrid car at this time, nobody else should be able to either? People who LIVE in Rockville will pay taxes in Rockville and will spend their money in Rockville (except for people shopping in hardware stores LOL). In what way is this bad for Rockville?I for one would like to see more concrete information given about school enrollment projections at Beall, including best-case/worst-case scenarios based on current and projected populations in Town Center and BG/BGII. I&#039;d like more info about the availability of parking. I haven&#039;t come across a shortage downtown, although I&#039;ve sometimes had to *gasp* drive to the SECOND floor of the garage near the library in order to park there. Is there any indication at all that the housing that planners hoped would house people close to transit and to their jobs is resulting in that situation, or is a significant percentage of the TC population driving to work in Tyson&#039;s or DC (or B/CC :)) anyway?It is a shame that this has become such an inflammatory topic. Surely there is room for understanding and dialog on all sides, for civil discussion, and for the groups and agencies involved to be COMPLETELY honest and open with the facts instead of leaving unanswered questions that balloon into, well, THIS. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a comment waaaay back near the beginning:&#8221;The statement that it provides additional workforce housing for Town Center is absurd. We are NOT a resort community requiring on-site housing. Access to metro and buses means that workforce housing can be located elsewhere. If workforce housing for its citizenry is a priority of our government &#8211; then I’d like a subsidy to live near my office in Bethesda/Chevy Chase- I can’t afford that!&#8221;Wow. This looks an awful lot like not wanting Rockville workers to live here (and instead use resources to GET here) because YOU can&#8217;t afford to live in B/CC where YOU work and there&#8217;s no subsidy for YOU. That would be a very sad case of sour grapes indeed. By following that line of reasoning, perhaps because I cannot afford a new hybrid car at this time, nobody else should be able to either? People who LIVE in Rockville will pay taxes in Rockville and will spend their money in Rockville (except for people shopping in hardware stores LOL). In what way is this bad for Rockville?I for one would like to see more concrete information given about school enrollment projections at Beall, including best-case/worst-case scenarios based on current and projected populations in Town Center and BG/BGII. I&#8217;d like more info about the availability of parking. I haven&#8217;t come across a shortage downtown, although I&#8217;ve sometimes had to *gasp* drive to the SECOND floor of the garage near the library in order to park there. Is there any indication at all that the housing that planners hoped would house people close to transit and to their jobs is resulting in that situation, or is a significant percentage of the TC population driving to work in Tyson&#8217;s or DC (or B/CC <img src='http://rockvillecentral.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) anyway?It is a shame that this has become such an inflammatory topic. Surely there is room for understanding and dialog on all sides, for civil discussion, and for the groups and agencies involved to be COMPLETELY honest and open with the facts instead of leaving unanswered questions that balloon into, well, THIS. <img src='http://rockvillecentral.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: John Cooper-Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Cooper-Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like Montgomery Housing Partnership to have 10 percent of the units in the project reserved for homeless families who would get case case management from one of the homeless agencies in the area.  I would propose that the families pay about one-third of their income for housing and have a time limit for their stay, so they would have an incentive to impvove their financial condition, while working with case managers.  Workforce housing gets quite a bit of attention, but housing for homeless families, in Rockville, does not.  This project seems like an excellent opportunity to change that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like Montgomery Housing Partnership to have 10 percent of the units in the project reserved for homeless families who would get case case management from one of the homeless agencies in the area.  I would propose that the families pay about one-third of their income for housing and have a time limit for their stay, so they would have an incentive to impvove their financial condition, while working with case managers.  Workforce housing gets quite a bit of attention, but housing for homeless families, in Rockville, does not.  This project seems like an excellent opportunity to change that.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 16:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not agreed with adding more dwellings (low to mod)in the neighborhood, however after reading the comments left by others, I have given this a second thought &amp; I am now in agreement. Why not. Is it because as one person stated &quot;leave those people in Linclon Park &amp; First Street (Moore Drive)Who are those people? Should Rockville be what race of people??   &gt;&lt;br/&gt;Why is it that everything becomes a race card? I have livedin The City Of Rockville my entire life. I&#039;ve seen some good and bad from everyone. Allow everyone to live just give people a chance. We all where not born with a Silver Spoon in our mouths. Be Kind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not agreed with adding more dwellings (low to mod)in the neighborhood, however after reading the comments left by others, I have given this a second thought &amp; I am now in agreement. Why not. Is it because as one person stated &quot;leave those people in Linclon Park &amp; First Street (Moore Drive)Who are those people? Should Rockville be what race of people??   ><br />Why is it that everything becomes a race card? I have livedin The City Of Rockville my entire life. I&#39;ve seen some good and bad from everyone. Allow everyone to live just give people a chance. We all where not born with a Silver Spoon in our mouths. Be Kind.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why must they build in a prime location such as the West End? Can&#039;t they build where there&#039;s plenty of land on the &quot;other&quot; side of Rockville, so we can protect what little equity our homes still have? Seriously, why not behind the Metro (if the government is really concerned with giving certain people more convenience, then building this housing project right behind the Metro is a much better spot; otherwise, we risk lawsuits if one of them gets hit trying to cross Rockville Pike to get to the Metro so they can go to work).  I think it&#039;s a disgusting idea to put what will essentially be Section 8 housing on such precious land.  So infuriating...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why must they build in a prime location such as the West End? Can&#8217;t they build where there&#8217;s plenty of land on the &#8220;other&#8221; side of Rockville, so we can protect what little equity our homes still have? Seriously, why not behind the Metro (if the government is really concerned with giving certain people more convenience, then building this housing project right behind the Metro is a much better spot; otherwise, we risk lawsuits if one of them gets hit trying to cross Rockville Pike to get to the Metro so they can go to work).  I think it&#8217;s a disgusting idea to put what will essentially be Section 8 housing on such precious land.  So infuriating&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly, RockvilleCentral supports Beall&#039;s Grant II. If you want to see some opposing viewpoints, check out this newly created site by some other citizens:&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;http://sites.google.com/site/stopbeallgrant2/&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The power of the web!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly, RockvilleCentral supports Beall&#8217;s Grant II. If you want to see some opposing viewpoints, check out this newly created site by some other citizens:></p>
<p><a href="http://sites.google.com/site/stopbeallgrant2/" rel="nofollow">http://sites.google.com/site/stopbeallgrant2/</a></p>
<p>The power of the web!</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Rourke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Rourke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Rockville Central&lt;/b&gt; friend &lt;b&gt;Mark Pierzchala&lt;/b&gt; passed along the following comment:&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I attended this Planning Commission meeting. While not happy with aspects of it, one of the big problems for the protesting neighbors is what I call &quot;The Big Surprise&quot;. Most of them found out only on Monday (two days before this meeting) of this particular application. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;ve seen other Big Surprises in Rockville and experienced this myself. Those who are caught out are suddenly on the defensive and have limited time to prepare and state their case. This often results in unpleasant meetings and confrontation.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Timely and effective notification on such high-impact neighborhood issues are constant concerns. The requirements for notification are stated in the zoning ordinance, and I hope Mayor and Council take a second look at these as they continue to review the new zoning ordinance. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;For these immediate neighbors to have had a fairer chance to influence the proposal they would have had to have been drawn into the process far sooner than this last PC meeting. Perhaps they could not have stopped it, but maybe they would have been able to reduce its scope, or at least obtain more conditions attached to its approval. The neighbors did not have a fair say in this project just because they had a chance to express their concerns at this meeting. (I personally support Phase II of Beall&#039;s Grant Apartments.)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The meeting did have the good effect of raising some city-wide issues on the distribution of these developments, traffic and school impacts, among others. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have attended about 8 meetings of the Planning Commission in the past few months. About half of these were work sessions on the new zoning ordinance and the others on various projects around the City. The body has a good mix of experienced and inexperienced members, and taken together their knowledge of planning matters is very high. Their work on the draft zoning ordinance was excellent.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Mark Pierzchala</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>><i><b>Rockville Central</b> friend <b>Mark Pierzchala</b> passed along the following comment:</i></p>
<p>I attended this Planning Commission meeting. While not happy with aspects of it, one of the big problems for the protesting neighbors is what I call &#8220;The Big Surprise&#8221;. Most of them found out only on Monday (two days before this meeting) of this particular application. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen other Big Surprises in Rockville and experienced this myself. Those who are caught out are suddenly on the defensive and have limited time to prepare and state their case. This often results in unpleasant meetings and confrontation.</p>
<p>Timely and effective notification on such high-impact neighborhood issues are constant concerns. The requirements for notification are stated in the zoning ordinance, and I hope Mayor and Council take a second look at these as they continue to review the new zoning ordinance. </p>
<p>For these immediate neighbors to have had a fairer chance to influence the proposal they would have had to have been drawn into the process far sooner than this last PC meeting. Perhaps they could not have stopped it, but maybe they would have been able to reduce its scope, or at least obtain more conditions attached to its approval. The neighbors did not have a fair say in this project just because they had a chance to express their concerns at this meeting. (I personally support Phase II of Beall&#8217;s Grant Apartments.)</p>
<p>The meeting did have the good effect of raising some city-wide issues on the distribution of these developments, traffic and school impacts, among others. </p>
<p>I have attended about 8 meetings of the Planning Commission in the past few months. About half of these were work sessions on the new zoning ordinance and the others on various projects around the City. The body has a good mix of experienced and inexperienced members, and taken together their knowledge of planning matters is very high. Their work on the draft zoning ordinance was excellent.</p>
<p>Mark Pierzchala</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quoting joshlubell&#039;s post of 7/24/2008 9:25 AM.&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;If high density in and of itself were a bad thing, San Francisco, New York, and Boston – our nation’s densest cities - would be undesirable urban environments. The truth is that high density is needed for a city to support a diverse and healthy mix of retail, to justify public transit, and to reduce dependency on automobiles.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I ask joshlubell how many &quot;hardware stores, independently-owned groceries, and other small businesses&quot; that are not &quot;chain stores and restaurants&quot; do you find in the densest parts of big cities?    My impression is that people who live in the downtown parts of big cities have to drive to the suburbs to find a Home Depot or a WalMart when they need to do serious buying of other than boutique-shop items. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Many sociologists will tell you that there is a school of thought dedicated to the proposition that density is undesirable in many respects.  And many people who live in other parts of our nation will tell you that there is much to be  complimented about &quot;small towns&quot;.     Regardless of one&#039;s perspective shouldn&#039;t we allow those who don&#039;t agree to have a place that is to their liking in which to live?  I dare say that the vast majority of the current residents of Rockville  are here because they like it&#039;s relatively lower density better than they like San Fran, NYC or Beantown (or Paris or Barcelona for the charette-goers).  Please let Rockville remain something other than those more dense urban centers.  The present course will eventually drive us all out either because we get tired of the crowding or because we just can&#039;t afford it any longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quoting joshlubell&#8217;s post of 7/24/2008 9:25 AM.></p>
<p>&#8220;If high density in and of itself were a bad thing, San Francisco, New York, and Boston – our nation’s densest cities &#8211; would be undesirable urban environments. The truth is that high density is needed for a city to support a diverse and healthy mix of retail, to justify public transit, and to reduce dependency on automobiles.&#8221;</p>
<p>I ask joshlubell how many &#8220;hardware stores, independently-owned groceries, and other small businesses&#8221; that are not &#8220;chain stores and restaurants&#8221; do you find in the densest parts of big cities?    My impression is that people who live in the downtown parts of big cities have to drive to the suburbs to find a Home Depot or a WalMart when they need to do serious buying of other than boutique-shop items. </p>
<p>Many sociologists will tell you that there is a school of thought dedicated to the proposition that density is undesirable in many respects.  And many people who live in other parts of our nation will tell you that there is much to be  complimented about &#8220;small towns&#8221;.     Regardless of one&#8217;s perspective shouldn&#8217;t we allow those who don&#8217;t agree to have a place that is to their liking in which to live?  I dare say that the vast majority of the current residents of Rockville  are here because they like it&#8217;s relatively lower density better than they like San Fran, NYC or Beantown (or Paris or Barcelona for the charette-goers).  Please let Rockville remain something other than those more dense urban centers.  The present course will eventually drive us all out either because we get tired of the crowding or because we just can&#8217;t afford it any longer.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why don&#039;t we just stick them where they belong!!&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Put them in Twinbrook or Lincoln Park!!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;They will ruin our lives!!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;They make Rockville a horrible place!!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We don&#039;t want them in Town Center!!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I thought Rockville was a great town, full of open minded people who support one another. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;How dare they build more low income homes on a site where there are already low income homes!!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Go visit First Street, remember Moore Drive? &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Oh no too many black faces!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t we just stick them where they belong!!></p>
<p>Put them in Twinbrook or Lincoln Park!!</p>
<p>They will ruin our lives!!</p>
<p>They make Rockville a horrible place!!</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t want them in Town Center!!</p>
<p>I thought Rockville was a great town, full of open minded people who support one another. </p>
<p>How dare they build more low income homes on a site where there are already low income homes!!</p>
<p>Go visit First Street, remember Moore Drive? </p>
<p>Oh no too many black faces!!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted very much to attend and to speak as a representative of renters at Bealls Grant I, but decided that the vicious level of discourse exhibited here against &quot;those people&quot; was not something I wanted to encounter on a personal level.  I watched the meeting via streaming video online, and, in retrospect I do wish that I had attended, if only to show at least one human case of the population that was being vilified as criminal and parasitic.&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m sure that, had someone created a bright pink flyer with URGENT!!! scrawled across the top, and then thrust it into the hands of Bealls Grant I residents, warning them of impending doom, more than a few would have shown up at the meeting to speak in support of the project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted very much to attend and to speak as a representative of renters at Bealls Grant I, but decided that the vicious level of discourse exhibited here against &#8220;those people&#8221; was not something I wanted to encounter on a personal level.  I watched the meeting via streaming video online, and, in retrospect I do wish that I had attended, if only to show at least one human case of the population that was being vilified as criminal and parasitic.></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that, had someone created a bright pink flyer with URGENT!!! scrawled across the top, and then thrust it into the hands of Bealls Grant I residents, warning them of impending doom, more than a few would have shown up at the meeting to speak in support of the project.</p>
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		<title>By: joshlubell</title>
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		<dc:creator>joshlubell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One assumption that has gone unchallenged in these comments is that there is already too much housing in Town Center. I couldn’t disagree more. In order for Town Center to support more diverse retail and to be more than just a destination for &gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://greatergreaterwashington.org/post.cgi?id=1018&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mall people&lt;/a&gt;, we need enough residents within walking distance to support neighborhood-serving establishments such as hardware stores, independently-owned groceries, and other small businesses. Without more customers living close by, the only businesses that can afford the rents in Town Center are the kinds of businesses that people are willing to drive long distances to frequent – which is why our retail is mostly chain stores and restaurants.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If high density in and of itself were a bad thing, San Francisco, New York, and Boston – our nation’s densest cities -  would be undesirable urban environments. The truth is that high density is needed for a city to support a diverse and healthy mix of retail, to justify public transit, and to reduce dependency on automobiles.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Don’t get me wrong – I think Town Center is great. But I wish it had a better retail mix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One assumption that has gone unchallenged in these comments is that there is already too much housing in Town Center. I couldn’t disagree more. In order for Town Center to support more diverse retail and to be more than just a destination for ><a HREF="http://greatergreaterwashington.org/post.cgi?id=1018" REL="nofollow" rel="nofollow">mall people</a>, we need enough residents within walking distance to support neighborhood-serving establishments such as hardware stores, independently-owned groceries, and other small businesses. Without more customers living close by, the only businesses that can afford the rents in Town Center are the kinds of businesses that people are willing to drive long distances to frequent – which is why our retail is mostly chain stores and restaurants.</p>
<p>If high density in and of itself were a bad thing, San Francisco, New York, and Boston – our nation’s densest cities &#8211;  would be undesirable urban environments. The truth is that high density is needed for a city to support a diverse and healthy mix of retail, to justify public transit, and to reduce dependency on automobiles.</p>
<p>Don’t get me wrong – I think Town Center is great. But I wish it had a better retail mix.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Rourke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Rourke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quite right, Joseph, it is definitely the obligation of Commission members to remain civil and respectful of the public. I have &gt;&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.rockvillecentral.com/2007/06/planning-chair-frowns-on-whining.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;written on this issue&lt;/a&gt; before -- in respect to the very same commission we are now discussing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I wonder, respecting the low supporter turnout, if Montgomery Housing Partnership was taken by surprise at opposition to something they may have thought was moving ahead with smooth sailing. After all, this has been going on since at least 2006 (that is when it first came before WECA) and they have been working hard to address concerns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite right, Joseph, it is definitely the obligation of Commission members to remain civil and respectful of the public. I have ><a HREF="http://www.rockvillecentral.com/2007/06/planning-chair-frowns-on-whining.html" REL="nofollow" rel="nofollow">written on this issue</a> before &#8212; in respect to the very same commission we are now discussing.</p>
<p>I wonder, respecting the low supporter turnout, if Montgomery Housing Partnership was taken by surprise at opposition to something they may have thought was moving ahead with smooth sailing. After all, this has been going on since at least 2006 (that is when it first came before WECA) and they have been working hard to address concerns.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was only one resident at the Planning Commission meeting who spoke in support of the project. When residents that live in the area spoke of their objections, some planning commission members became almost combative and did in fact turn argumentative, showing little to no respect for their opinions. The point isn&#039;t how long they have lived there, or if they knew there was crime when they bought their homes. Folks have the right to express their opinions and the commission has the responsibility to listen and respect their right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was only one resident at the Planning Commission meeting who spoke in support of the project. When residents that live in the area spoke of their objections, some planning commission members became almost combative and did in fact turn argumentative, showing little to no respect for their opinions. The point isn&#8217;t how long they have lived there, or if they knew there was crime when they bought their homes. Folks have the right to express their opinions and the commission has the responsibility to listen and respect their right.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who&#039;s &quot;gross waste of resources?&quot; Throughout Rockville, there are homes on quarter acre lots, some even on half acre lots. Are those a gross waste of resources, too? It might not make economic sense for an organization to put a 14 unit apartment building on that space, but that&#039;s different than being a gross waste of resources.&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And just because someone put a lot of time and effort into creating a compelling business case that shows a building with 109 units  is economically feasible, doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s the right thing to do. It only means that someone can demonstrate how to make it look economically viable to put a building of that size and density in that location. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;And I&#039;m trying to figure out what&#039;s so inflammatory and &quot;class-based&quot; about the flyer and which words are &quot;loaded.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Is it that they say &quot;high density, low income rental property?&quot; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Here is one of the objectives of the Montgomery Housing Partnership:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;Develop with the County a pilot program that begins to address the affordable housing needs of very low income households (as evidenced by the growing Section 8 waiting list) in Montgomery County&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;So, that was a true statement. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Was it &quot;transient nature of apartments?&quot; &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;By definition, people living in apartments are more transient than those owning their homes because they&#039;re renting. People who rent move more often than people who own. I don&#039;t think there&#039;s any arguing with that one. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Was it &quot;saturation of subsidized housing already?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Maybe that&#039;s what was inflammatory, although I&#039;m not getting it. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If the flyer had inaccurate information in it, I&#039;d like to know what it is. I&#039;m not the author or distributor of the flyer, but feel it&#039;s as valid a document as this one is:  http://rockvilleliving.com/blog/docs/BeallsGrantII.pdf. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Neither of them alone tell the whole story, but one is supportive and the other is not. One tries to convince you it&#039;s the best thing for Rockville and its neighborhoods and comes from &lt;b&gt;an  organization &lt;/b&gt;trying to build the development and the other has an opposing viewpoint and (I assume) comes from &lt;b&gt;people &lt;/b&gt;who actually live in the neighborhood who will be directly affected by it for years to come. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s too bad we weren&#039;t having this conversation earlier in the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#8217;s &#8220;gross waste of resources?&#8221; Throughout Rockville, there are homes on quarter acre lots, some even on half acre lots. Are those a gross waste of resources, too? It might not make economic sense for an organization to put a 14 unit apartment building on that space, but that&#8217;s different than being a gross waste of resources.></p>
<p>And just because someone put a lot of time and effort into creating a compelling business case that shows a building with 109 units  is economically feasible, doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s the right thing to do. It only means that someone can demonstrate how to make it look economically viable to put a building of that size and density in that location. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m trying to figure out what&#8217;s so inflammatory and &#8220;class-based&#8221; about the flyer and which words are &#8220;loaded.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is it that they say &#8220;high density, low income rental property?&#8221; </p>
<p>Here is one of the objectives of the Montgomery Housing Partnership:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Develop with the County a pilot program that begins to address the affordable housing needs of very low income households (as evidenced by the growing Section 8 waiting list) in Montgomery County&#8221;</i></p>
<p>So, that was a true statement. </p>
<p>Was it &#8220;transient nature of apartments?&#8221; </p>
<p>By definition, people living in apartments are more transient than those owning their homes because they&#8217;re renting. People who rent move more often than people who own. I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any arguing with that one. </p>
<p>Was it &#8220;saturation of subsidized housing already?&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s what was inflammatory, although I&#8217;m not getting it. </p>
<p>If the flyer had inaccurate information in it, I&#8217;d like to know what it is. I&#8217;m not the author or distributor of the flyer, but feel it&#8217;s as valid a document as this one is:  <a href="http://rockvilleliving.com/blog/docs/BeallsGrantII.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://rockvilleliving.com/blog/docs/BeallsGrantII.pdf</a>. </p>
<p>Neither of them alone tell the whole story, but one is supportive and the other is not. One tries to convince you it&#8217;s the best thing for Rockville and its neighborhoods and comes from <b>an  organization </b>trying to build the development and the other has an opposing viewpoint and (I assume) comes from <b>people </b>who actually live in the neighborhood who will be directly affected by it for years to come. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s too bad we weren&#8217;t having this conversation earlier in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are 14 unoccupied units there now.  Zero people, empty, zilch.  So, weighing &quot;comparable&quot; is not statistically valid.  Right now there is a space of almost a solid empty acre, between the empty 14-unit building and the empty parking lot.  Either it continues to sit empty and unused, or it gets developed.  To put in another 14-unit building in the same piece of space would be as objectionable as putting 109 units there, since it would be a gross waste of resources.&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Obviously, someone put a lot of time and effort into determining what the number of appropriate units would be, for the amount of land available for building and the carrying capacity of the community.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It was the writers of the flyer who phrased this in an inflammatory class-based conflict, who are using loaded words to characterize renters as the human equivalent of vermin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are 14 unoccupied units there now.  Zero people, empty, zilch.  So, weighing &#8220;comparable&#8221; is not statistically valid.  Right now there is a space of almost a solid empty acre, between the empty 14-unit building and the empty parking lot.  Either it continues to sit empty and unused, or it gets developed.  To put in another 14-unit building in the same piece of space would be as objectionable as putting 109 units there, since it would be a gross waste of resources.></p>
<p>Obviously, someone put a lot of time and effort into determining what the number of appropriate units would be, for the amount of land available for building and the carrying capacity of the community.</p>
<p>It was the writers of the flyer who phrased this in an inflammatory class-based conflict, who are using loaded words to characterize renters as the human equivalent of vermin.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From my lens, the biggest concern is density. Going from 14 to 109 units seems like too much in that spot for me. For those supporting the project, I&#039;d ask what your threshold is. If the project called for 500 additional units in that spot, would you still support it? 1000 additional - still support it? 10,000? At some point, you too will say the number sounds too high and you would no longer support the project. I think most people would agree that if the number of occupants in the new building was &gt;&lt;b&gt;comparable&lt;/b&gt; to what&#039;s there now, there wouldn&#039;t be much of a debate. But replacing what&#039;s there with a building to house 8 times as many people/families are are there now seems a little extreme - especially since we still don&#039;t know the full impact of Town Center and won&#039;t know until the unoccupied units in Town Center have been rented or sold.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This is all a matter of opinion based on personal experiences and the perceived impact it can have on each of us and our families. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I oppose the development because I think 109 units is too much for that space regardless of whether it&#039;s MPDU or $500K condos - Either way, I still don&#039;t support this project. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I also take exception to the letter that was sent from WECA stating that they represent my views. Regardless of what that letter says, she doesn&#039;t and they don&#039;t represent my views or the views of some neighbors I&#039;ve spoken to - and we all live in the West End. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I don&#039;t understand how that letter could have been written when the majority of those living in the West End are either unaware or aren&#039;t fully aware of the Beall&#039;s Grant project. It would be the equivalent of me sitting down with my neighbors, agreeing on something and sending a letter to the Mayor and Council saying that we voted, unamimously agreed to something and our vote represents all the homes in the West End. It&#039;s ludicrous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my lens, the biggest concern is density. Going from 14 to 109 units seems like too much in that spot for me. For those supporting the project, I&#8217;d ask what your threshold is. If the project called for 500 additional units in that spot, would you still support it? 1000 additional &#8211; still support it? 10,000? At some point, you too will say the number sounds too high and you would no longer support the project. I think most people would agree that if the number of occupants in the new building was ><b>comparable</b> to what&#8217;s there now, there wouldn&#8217;t be much of a debate. But replacing what&#8217;s there with a building to house 8 times as many people/families are are there now seems a little extreme &#8211; especially since we still don&#8217;t know the full impact of Town Center and won&#8217;t know until the unoccupied units in Town Center have been rented or sold.</p>
<p>This is all a matter of opinion based on personal experiences and the perceived impact it can have on each of us and our families. </p>
<p>I oppose the development because I think 109 units is too much for that space regardless of whether it&#8217;s MPDU or $500K condos &#8211; Either way, I still don&#8217;t support this project. </p>
<p>I also take exception to the letter that was sent from WECA stating that they represent my views. Regardless of what that letter says, she doesn&#8217;t and they don&#8217;t represent my views or the views of some neighbors I&#8217;ve spoken to &#8211; and we all live in the West End. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand how that letter could have been written when the majority of those living in the West End are either unaware or aren&#8217;t fully aware of the Beall&#8217;s Grant project. It would be the equivalent of me sitting down with my neighbors, agreeing on something and sending a letter to the Mayor and Council saying that we voted, unamimously agreed to something and our vote represents all the homes in the West End. It&#8217;s ludicrous.</p>
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